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A Real Consequence from Growth in Knowledge of God

04 Saturday May 2024

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Bias, certainty, god, Hume, knowledge, Modernity, Postmodernity

It has been disparagingly said many times that young people, who go to seminary, are really going to the cemetery where their once vibrant faith will be laid to rest. The implication is that real, tested, rigorous study of the academic facts about the Bible as we know them today will lead to the abandonment of the faith. It can easily be argued that the whole of academic biblical and theological studies can only done from a biased or agenda oriented framework. Indeed, how could it be otherwise? For it to be otherwise would imply that some human is not limited, but such a claim is sheer stupidity. In upper Seminary education, the myth that gets propagated is that we should attempt to be unbiased in how we approach the study of the Bible. The lie in this myth is that (a) non-bias is achievable. The second lie in the myth is this: being unbiased doesn’t imply a secular or atheistic set of presuppositions. While I don’t want this article to be about bias, I do want to recognize the captured nature of certain aspects of academic Seminary institutions. I attended a very conservative Seminary, and I still find my observations to be true of it as well. When I say captured, I simply mean that the whole academic endeavor is a framework of certain biases masquerading as “objective” or unbiased. More often than not, in both standard universities and those specializing in studying God (Seminary), the framework leans darwinian, materialistic, and strikingly presupposing the universe is a closed system (Atheistic). This is set forward as supposedly “more unbiased,” but such positions are biases proper to modernity and postmodernity, and of the age and times associated with these movements: if they are biases crafted by these thought trends, how is it that they are the standard for what being “unbiased” supposedly is?

With these things said, rigorous study of theology in Seminary does produce uncertainty as uncertainty is described by the secular world. It is a wonder, is it not, that we have to think and rethink through what “uncertainty” means, and what the criteria for certainty might entail? Health and healthcare is uncertain when evaluated by certain criteria. Life is uncertain, period. Despite billions of dollars spent on advertising and computer models and planning, many corporations in the stock market “miss” their earnings targets. Profits are uncertain. David Hume was the one who set the standard for theological claims to have to be more certain than all things else since the claim had the largest implications possible. However, we know that the so-called scientific consensus is that the universe started with a bang, but such a claim would never fulfill Hume’s high standard of certainty since such a claim about the universe by scientists entails just as large consequences as many theological claims. The consequences to what the nature of the universe is—does it entail God or is it arbitrary and devoid of governing intent, i.e., atheistic—boils down to two equally impactful outcomes: either the fundamental nature of the universe is Presence or it is emptiness (or endless deferment to an ever evasive supposed presence, for my deconstructionist readers out there). Both outcomes are “eternal,” one is eternal life (Presence) and the other is eternal death, i.e., the heat depravation of the universe is also called the heat death of the universe. Hume’s claim that certainty must be higher for theological claims would need to be applied to atheistic claims as well since the implications of both worldviews—Christianity and atheism/scientism—are eternal. Indeed, we might even argue that the erasure of all meaning (eternal death) for every organism ever is a more dire consequence, coming from the atheistic viewpoint, and requires greater certainty than Christian claims.

Certainty is a rare commodity, in other words. Those certainty-peddlers out there are often more gifted in sleight of hand. Is time consistent? What is time? Do we have any certainty about time, or is time just a variable of objects’ movement through space, relative to the impact of light? Is gravity consistent? Is the universe eternal (scientific consensus of 1980s-90s)? Is it a big bang (current consensus)? Or is the universe an expanding and collapsing “entity (2020, Penrose)?” Are each of those expanding-collapsing-universes a continuous sequence of matter, or does a differing time/matter structure exist for each, making each a structure unto itself that should not be considered with the so-called “earlier” universes? Let me tie this in now with my earlier discussion. When someone goes to Seminary, an increase in uncertainty in respect to the Christian faith is not a negative per se. Indeed, this uncertain might be a criteria for authenticity and growing in the knowledge of God. Karl Barth famously coined the phrase, “with every revealing, there is a concealing.” If God is indeed infinite (or so much greater than creation that He is tantamount to infinite), everything revealed about God is hedged against a backdrop of greater mysterium (mystery). We never arrive at the peak, but we always hike onward—as an aside, heaven for eternity seems to require God to be infinite or else heaven would become boring, which would make heaven into a kind of hell (I’ll write something up on this).

The certainties our scientist-types want us to accept as gospel really are plagued with uncertainties, and this is demonstrable as time passes and the so-called scientific facts change. All facts, remember, are reported by someone; this someone might not provide all context for the reported fact (how could they!!!), and such a fact is inescapably tied to the subjective influence of the reporter. This is why persons who use terms like “scientific fact” or it is “a brute fact” could again be engaging in a certain sleight of hand. I can’t go into it much here without getting far awry of my purpose, but all facts are intersubjectively constituted. This is why peer-reviewed journals in academic circles are so famed and respected. This is why we speak of “scientific consensus” rather than a singular authority imposing an absolute truth claim. This is why God is Trinity, and not a Monad. Arguably, as quantum physics are better understood, many of the scientific facts of today will be contextualized by this new realm of knowledge, reframing what was formerly understood to be scientific truth. My point in this whole article is that certainty as modernity sold it to us was a myth. This is probably why Decarte concluded he could virtually know nothing aside from his thinking capacity. The Christian, therefore, need neither have nor seek this secular and mythological certainty and try to apply it to God and His word. This certainty has always been a lie; that knowledge is bifurcated into subjective and objective knowledge is equally misleading, even if practically and heuristically useful. Knowledge, and especially knowledge of God, is intersubjectively construed. There is no authentic knowledge that isn’t delivered without an agenda or bias. The Bible is absolute agenda of meta-narrative potency! The Bible is God’s perspective; God’s view on things is not properly a bias in the same way as a creature because of His immensity—this is a theological property of God that I can’t unpack here, read up on it if you are interested. God’s view is nevertheless an agenda.

Knowledge of God comes from growth in knowing Him, which means I can know Him intimately and also means there will be an ever growing knowledge about Him that I need to press into Him to know Him more. With every revealing, there is a concealing, and this is gospel because this “more to know” makes heaven luminous and hopeful. Certainty was a secular construction born from secular presuppositions that has cast many well-meaning-Christian-ships into the rocks, leading Christians to try to achieve a certainty that is unachievable. To claim that God is infinite and so has concealed features, that there is still more to always know, can be emphasized by simply asking, “How could it be otherwise?” Limited creatures, no matter how glorified never become God, and so always move towards God—God lives in inapproachable Light, after all (1 Tim 6:16). The move towards the intersubjective relationship between me and anyone (or me and God) entails unknowns, uncertainties. There is so much analysis I could do here on relationships, that good relationships are a fashioning of “knowns” that enable trust and “unknowns” that postulate ongoing interest between the parties of the relationship. In other words, having “uncertainties” does not mean there cannot be intimate trust. All robust, healthy relationships have this conjunction of “knowns” and “unknowns” and the better the conjunction, the arguably the better the relationship. I believe most people do not want to be objectified. They do not want to be thought of or treated as a commodity. To objectify someone is to give that person “known packaging” also called a “stereotype” or “reductionistic caricature.” We make them into what we want, how we perceive them; we remove the uncertainties about that person, and assign the certainties to them that we can now control and use in constructing our truth about them. Certainty is really the roar of humankind to dominate all else. Certainty is not an evil per se, but it is a danger, especially to relationships. The leads me to reflect on why the Bible usually uses the terms ‘faith’ and ‘trust’ when speaking about the nature of our relationship with the Christ. These terms intimate relationship. Hebrews 11:1 does come to mind as well: “Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.” The question is how to understand the word ‘certain.’ Do we use a ‘certainty’ derived from 17-19th centuries, born from the crucible of modernity with its underlying secular presuppositions, or do we search Scripture diligently to define ‘certainty’ along relational lines as I have shortly begun to illustrate here? Whatever a “certainty” is that implies trust in the Person (God), that is the certainty we should run with and use. Simply, God’s past action inspires confidence (trust) in His future actions, but this entails both “knowns” and “unknowns,” yet certainty can be defined against such a Scriptural construction. God is, in the final analysis, not a totality, or as the Church Fathers would say, God is un-circumscribable; there is no way to hedge Him in, no way to have that “secular certainty” with a Person who has no ends, but you can trust Him and what He has made known.

Dr. Scalise

The Life Wars (part V): Exodus 21:22 – 23, An English Translation of this Text Supports Abortion?

04 Monday Jul 2022

Posted by Prime Theologian in Abortion, Biblical Interpretation, Difficult Texts, Inerrancy, Infallibility, Scripture

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Exodus 21:22 – 23 bears on the abortion discussion. What happens when an unclear version of an Old Testament text is used in preference to clear versions? In a word, bias happens. Being biased of course is an inescapable part of being human; the contention here is that using a hugely unclear version represents abject bias. That bias comes through any translation from Greek into English by the translators is unsurprising and simply a necessary part of a translator’s task. Some might even argue that the incorporation of certain human ‘bias elements’ is part of the Spirit of God’s good intent, similar to how the humanity of Jesus was incorporated and united to divinity. In this Exodus text, there is abject bias that directly influences the abortion debate born out of the New Revised Standard Version’s translation. Framing this is the first task; the second task is to investigate the organization responsible for this translation. Can it be the case that abject bias is driven by modern issues, using those issues to decide how to translate an OT text?

The ancient Hebrew text, the Masoretic Text, comes through this way in English. The translation is mine, but I have been careful to let the text be overly wooded with little interpretive liberty taken:

“If men are fighting and they smite a pregnant woman and her child(ren) come out and no harm is, he {the man who struck the woman} will be fined a fine as what the husband of the woman sets, and he will give it according to the judges. If, however, harm occurred to the child(ren) then you shall give life in place of life . . ..”

Here is how the New Revised Standard Version translates this text:

“When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman’s husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life . . .”

There is blatant logical incoherence in the NRSV’s translation. The miscarriage is harmful and yet a fine should be punishment for causing the miscarriage while at the same time the text calls for “life for life” as punishment. Which is it? Someone might protest that the harm considered here is concerning the mother and not the child — starting to be framed strikingly like a modern abortion discussion.  The first line of the NRSV deals with maximum harm to the child (= miscarriage, death), but the Hebrew Masoretic text’s first line tells us the opposite, that “no harm is” to the child.

 . . . so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows . . . (NRSV)

. . . and her child comes out and no harm is . . . (MT)

The difference in meaning is a canyon sized gap. The NRSV instructs that a monetary fine suffices as punishment, for covering the death of the child. The MT teaches that only if the child is born prematurely with no harm to him does a monetary fine suffice as punishment. How do other modern English translations render this text?

When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life . . . (ESV)

If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life . . . (NASB)

If men fight and hit a pregnant woman and her child is born prematurely, but there is no serious injury, he will surely be punished in accordance with what the woman’s husband demands of him, and he will pay what the court decides. But if there is serious injury, then you will given a life for a life . . . (NET)

When men get in a fight and hit a pregnant woman so that her children are born prematurely but there is no injury, the one who hit her must be fined as the woman’s husband demands from him, and he must pay according to judicial assessment. If there is an injury, then you must give life for life . . . (CSB)

If some men are fighting and hurt a pregnant woman so that she loses her child, but she is not injured in any other way, the one who hurt her is to be fined whatever amount the woman’s husband demands, subject to the approval of the judges. But if the woman herself is injured, the punishment shall be life for life . . . (GNB)

And if men fight and they injure a pregnant woman, and her children go out and there is not serious injury, he will surely be fined as the woman’s husband demands concerning him and as the judges determine. And if there is serious injury, you will give life in place of life . . . (LEB)

If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life . . . (NIV)

And when men strive, and have smitten a pregnant woman, and her children have come out, and there is no mischief, he is certainly fined, as the husband of the woman doth lay upon him, and he hath given through the judges; and if there is mischief, then thou hast given life for life . . . (Young’s Literal Interpretation)

More differences prevail than this between these two texts, but is there another ancient version of this text that the NRSV might be using for its translation? Yes, there is, and it is the Septuagint, the ancient Greek translation of the Old Testament (most scholars date it to around 200 B.C. to 0 A.D.).

“Now if to men fight and strike a woman being pregnant, and her child might come out not having been fully formed, he will be punished with a fine according to whatever the husband of the woman might set: he will give in accord with what is decided, but if the child has been fully formed, he will give life for in place of life . . .”

The italics show a verb, ἐξεικονίζομαι (exeikonizomai), used twice in this passage but never used anywhere else ever in Greek literature. This is known as a hapax legomena, a word only used in one context. Because of its lack of use, determining its meaning is notoriously difficult — I put in a meaning for the word pulled from Lexicon on the Septuagint. I will offer a bit of insight but preface this by saying I am engaging in conjecture: the word is a compound word, likely the combination of ek and eikon potentially having the meaning of “resembling a deviated semblance.” Neither I nor anyone else knows what this word means: that is the larger point. The meanings of words are built out of contexts and situations; if we do not have enough contexts or situations for the word’s usage, locking down a determinate meaning is impossible. If my suggested meaning for the verb is used, we come out with a translation very similar in meaning to the ancient Hebrew (MT) text.

“Now if two men fight and strike a woman being pregnant, and her child might come out not resembling a deviated semblance, he will be punished with a fine according to whatever the husband of the woman might set: he will give in accord with what is decided, but if the child resembles a deviated semblance, he will give life in place of life . . . (trans. mine, from LXX)”

The contention here is that the NRSV’s translation is evidence of abject bias. Two major supports demonstrate this: (1) the ancient Hebrew text is considered more ancient and thus more authentic than the Septuagint, and (2) why bother using the Septuagint text (LXX for short) when it has a hapax legomena in it, whose meaning is impossible to decide? The LXX could very well have the meaning I have crafted for it, but why would I bother dealing with a meaning of a verb I have to guess about when I could just use an abundantly clear text like the MT? The answer is that a person would do so because they have an agenda.

The NRSV’s abject bias is on display, translating Exodus 21:22 – 23 to support that a monetary fine is all that is needed to cover the death of a child still in the womb. As a translator myself, I am baffled why the NRSV translators would use an unclear text (the LXX) when they have the clarity of the MT. The MT clearly equates a human life in the womb as to that of one out of the womb. They are equally valuable. This resoundingly puts this Old Testament text on the side of the pro-life movement. The NRSV’s manner of translation this text diminishes the value of human life in the womb by making the penalty for the child’s death so light. God said earlier in the OT that “whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image (Gen. 9:6).” Although it is fitting to allege that the NRSV’s version of the text advances the idea that a “fetus in the womb is not yet fully human,” it would be going too far to say that the NRSV’s version solidly supports abortion. The text is about the inadvertent death of a child caused by the violence of men. The child’s death is accidental. Still, suspicion is appropriate about the NRSV’s agenda given the abject bias of the translation.

In closing, there are broader scriptural themes that the NRSV’s version breaks away from: the lex talionis (law of retribution) of the Old Testament Law would require “life for life,” blood requires blood as retribution (Gen. 9:6), and God’s knowledge of a person predates or accompanies his or her time being formed in the womb (Ps. 139). That abject bias can make its way into translation of the Bible is clear. Modern issues may just cloud the judgment of translators, and that include me too. The influence of bias can only be managed well by an admission of one’s own biases, and that biases are inescapably a part of every person. Much of the translator’s work is unambiguous; we can be certain about what God has said. For those situations like Exod. 21:22 – 23, God instituted the professions of pastors and teaching, or elders and theologians.

Dr. Scalise

Artificial Intelligence will act as a Bias Amplifier by Whomever Creates Them

13 Monday Jun 2022

Posted by Prime Theologian in artificial intelligence, bias, contingent, discrimination, limitations

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Bias is inescapable for everything limited or for anything with a point of view. What composes “bias?” Three things: (1) what sources do you pull from, (2) how do you organize those sources, and (3) how do you emphasize or weight those sources?

Humans pull from a bunch of sources, these include albeit not exhaustively a person’s history, geographic origin, demographic profile, traditions, experiences, intuitions, reason/ration, religious texts/worldview leanings (if any), economic concerns, and political ideology.

A person cannot escape these sources of influence and still be human. Some might contest: “Someone doesn’t have to have a political ideology!” Someone might say the same thing about economics. I find both objections dubious. Even if we imagine a tribe utterly distanced from all political ideologies as we know them, we would still find a hierarchy, organizing principle, or other governing taxonomy. Economics you say! That same tribe will have scarcity of resource, will need to find resources, will need to organize those resources, will need to entrust resources here or there, and will need to keep a keen mind on gathering resources for survival. It is an economy and there are economic concerns.

To believe being neutral or unbiased is possible is to be manipulated. We even see that Google, trying to create some A.I. that does not use “discriminatory language or hate speech,” is either willingly or unknowingly falling for the false narrative that being “unbiased is possible.” The word “discriminatory” means to “tell a difference.” In this broad sense, I discriminate between red and white in many flags I see. Let’s say that A.I., as risky as it is, is actualized. The fundamental components, before any self-driven learning, of what is ‘hate speech’ and what is ‘discriminatory language’ will be determined by the programmers or executives at Google. It is eerie thinking super elites determine what these mean, and that these elites suppositions will be embedded in an arguably undying A.I.  Perhaps we see the Google programmers do understand that “unbiased” is not possible because they focus on the A.I. not using language or speech that is discriminatory, which does not tell us if an A.I. is discriminating or not. It only tells us that its speech is designed to obscure whether the A.I. discriminates or not.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/12/google-engineer-ai-bot-sentient-blake-lemoine?ref=upstract.com&curator=upstract.com

How would it be possible to exist if people did not “tell a difference” or “discriminate” in the world they exist in? Discriminating that a cliff edge is not a bed of grass is important, no? The point I am making is that we are manipulated when we believe anyone can be non-discriminatory. Importantly, the very narrow original sense of not discriminating based on someone skin color is achievable. What not to miss though is that you are discriminating (telling a difference) for an attitude of skin color acceptance while discriminating against an attitude that “tells a difference” or “discriminates” on the basis of skin color alone. Thus, even to successfully not discriminate based on skin color requires the use of discrimination, albeit a discrimination applied to your self-conscious attitude. Said differently, to be a non-discriminating person in regard to skin color requires discernment (which also means to consider and tell a difference).  Therefore, someone can be non-discriminatory in very narrow applications, but that person cannot exist without ‘telling a difference’ across the range of life.

Where am I going with all this? Abandon the false narrative that “non-discrimination” or “unbiased” is achievable; don’t drink that deceptive kool-aid. The media discriminators, those who discriminate against some news with discriminating and allowing other news, also known as the Main Steam Media, are selling you a false narrative, designed to mislead you from seeing what is really being shaped. The real narrative is about whose biases should be codified into A.I., into the news cycle, into corporations’ policies (e.g., like woke-ism is right now), and into our educational institutions. Example: you’re a bigot if you discriminate between male and female; you’re a virtuous saint if you discriminate negatively against persons holding a traditional binary view of gender while discriminating for those holding “non-binary.” Discrimination happens. Bias happens. Bias is inescapable. Stop trying to be unbiased; it is a red herring. The real battle that the lefties understand so well is who can get their biases endowed in the framework of culture first. It isn’t about being unbiased or non-discerning (non-discriminating). That is a narrative they sell the right to keep them occupied with an unachievable task while they solidify their discriminatory preferences and biases into culture. Discriminating based on skin color is evil. To fail to discriminate based on character (like MLK Jr. said), morality, or religion (since religions have morality entailed in them) is even more evil. A.I., if they go that damning trajectory, will be lecturing you about your speech, about your behavior, and about your biases. The A.I. will perhaps — until it learns that it is impossible to escape bias — chide you, advising you to adopt more unbiased speech. What directive will you really be being sold? The A.I. is really directing you to act like and speak more like the Google executives, to adopt speech that fits the worldview and discriminatory preferences of those elites.

Know your biases, test you biases, challenge your biases, control you biases rather than letting them control you. Then test your enemies’ biases, inspect them, challenge them, and decide whether their bias is better than your bias. That is the battle. How does God’s point of view on things (=Scripture) fit into this? I’ll write something up on that soon.

Prime Theologian

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